Wednesday, October 21, 2015

Papa @ 60: Pastor Okonrende Clocks 60; Birthday Celebration Billed For October 31st

Pastor Okonrende, the pioneered Pastor of R.C.C.G Pavilion of Redemption will celebrate his 60th birthday on October 31, Cenews was with him recently, and he talked about his journey from birth to date. It was an exciting revelation from the highly disciplined man of God.

Cenews: Can we meet you, sir?
Pastor Okonrende: My name is Pastor Ade; well the Ade that everybody calls is Adesola Adetuwo Okonrende.  I was born in Nigeria, in 1955, incidentally, my father’s compound was in the very location of the now Lagos University Teaching Hospital. The land before it was acquired was called Igbo- Ayigbo Village, Edi-araba .     
So you are from Lagos, an indigene of Lagos?
Well, originally my parents migrated from Aramako Ekiti to Abeokuta in the 19th century and then they settled there. My daddy moved to Lagos, so I was born in Lagos, but eventually I went back home to know Abeokuta quite well, which is my home base.
 Can you just tell us a little bit about your growing up sir?
Well, I grew up in “one of the best places” as I always jokingly say. I grew up in Mushin, which was not a good place to raise a child, but we thank God that the black cow that eats green grass can produce white milk. Which is one of the mysteries of what God can do. I attended St. Michael primary school, Ojuwoye Mushin. From there we moved to Lawanson. I attended LA school Eleja in Itire Mushin Road.  My education was quite traumatic; we thank God for who I am today. To God be the glory.
When did you get married and how was it at that time?
Well, my mother had a priority that is education, and going to school was my only choice.  I was quite rascally when I was very young, and I had challenges in the elementary and nearly part of my secondary school days.
But later on, when I became more articulate and focus, I didn’t  suffer any relegation in academics again I eventually graduated from Ife with a very good grade. Obafemi Awolowo University Ile-Ife. Fine and Applied Arts was my area of study and I specialized in graphics. It was very challenging as I had to leave school at one time to get married.  I was a very indigent student, but we had to slog it out by the grace of God to get to where we are today, and the experience has toughened me. I left campus so that I might get married to my wife. We had a courtship of five years and one week. After we had got married, I got her a job at the same school where I was teaching and went back to the campus to finish my program.  I eventually became a lecturer at the Federal college of education Abeokuta before I left. The marriage has been very wonderful since that very time.
Let’s talk about the children sir.
We thank God, by His grace we are blessed with four wonderful children; Grace, Chosen, Choice and Royal, and as somebody said, when they look at the names of the children and they take it from the last, it implies RCCG, and there is no coincidence in God, it can only be a divine orchestration.
But we didn't think of that when the babies were being named. We have been very much involved in RCCG, including the children who have worked with us from day one; from their pregnancy to their infancy. I mean they had no other choice than to come along with us, we dragged them along everywhere we went across the villages in Nigeria, England, and America.
So they have been with us and today by the Grace of God they are wonderful ministers of the gospel as well.
Tell us about your ministerial journey
When I gave my life to Christ; the very first church I associated with was Foursqure Gospel Church, and Papa Gabriel Olu Farombi happened to be my very first Pastor who later became the Superintendent or General Overseer of Foursquare Gospel church in Nigeria. On campus, I attended the Deeper Life Christian Ministries and to some extent connected with Pastor Okumuyi. I eventually settled in a church, Foursquare Gospel Church Karimu Street, Suru-lere Lagos were Pastor Farombi was the pastor. I was posted by my job to Ogun state and Pastor Grace Agorum, my Sunday school teacher at that time, said to me one Sunday, Bro, you always come from Abeokuta to Lagos, “go and grow where you are planted”.  That was how I stayed in Foursquare Gospel church Ita-Iyalode under Pastor Rufus Owade. I became the youth leader and eventually became the district youth leader of Foursquare Gospel Church in the western district of Nigeria and pioneered the work to the glory of God out there. One Sunday in 1982, Pastor Owoade said, “bro, the van is not coming to your village to take people to church, go and preach to them.” And then I got to the place, and I told my people the Pastor said the van is not coming today, I should preach to you, and that was how I started preaching. 
I became the Pastor of the local church there because my pastor said go and preach to them. I was a youth leader, and I started preaching to them. To the glory of God, we built a church in the village with solid blocks and the church is still existing up till now. I am still working on that very church. I was still there last year December to refurbish some things. The church was built in 1982; it is a solid building, and it was packed with people the last time I went. You see, there was a development because I belong to the CRM - Christ Redeemers Ministry, of the then Brother Adeboye.  We call ourselves Brother in those days, so we don't work with any title such as pastor… Everybody was Bro. or Sis.
Do you mean you were at the Foursquare Gospel Church, and you were still part of the CRM?
Yes the CRM was not a church but an Inter-denominational Ministry.
Which means Redeemed church was not in place  
The Redeemed church was in place. The Redeemed Christian Church of God has been in existence since 1952. But Brother Adeboye was a pastor in Redeemed but you see at the CRM there was nothing like a pastor, we called each other brother or Sister.
So he formed the CRM?
Yes, Pastor Adeboye formed the group. He got the approval from the founder of the RCCG to start it. He said the Holy Spirit inspired him that if the idol worshippers are celebrating, then we Christians should find something to celebrate, and that was the birth of the CRM.In 1977.
So the CRM became a force to be reckoned with. Those of us that were from other churches joined the CRM. We had meetings in many locations in the South west of Nigeria - Lagos, Abeokuta, Agbor…, we called it Congress. So in 1981, he became the General Overseer and whatever he does at the CRM, cannot clash with the Redeemed because he is the same person incharge. Now whenever we go to the CRM program, and we return to our base, we sometimes have problems in our local churches. My problem was all my converts; normally I will take them with me to the CRM. Now at the CRM we don’t pay money for the camp, and everybody is fed for free, but the study leaders contribute money. At the Foursquare Gospel Church then we meet in our youth camp at Ajebo.  Whenever we go to the camp, we have to pay about 12 naira per head, and 12 naira was big money then. So if you contribute 12 naira, for how many converts will I contribute 12 naira and I had a bunch of them that form part of the local church that I started.
Did the contact you have with the CRM lead you to join the Redeemed Church?
Oh yes.  That is the basis of my coming to the Redeemed. Pastor Owoade said I should sell the same idea that CRM had to the national level of the Foursquare; but they did not buy into it, they did not agree with people being fed for free, and allocation of money in that manner.
So if you want to be precise sir, what exact year did you join RCCG.
I actually left Foursquare in 1983 to join Redeemed.
So you became a Pastor?
No, I didn't join as a Pastor. I join the church as a brother.  You see in those days, we were not after the title. Nobody wants to become a pastor. It was just; we were convinced to serve God. Not a title that people run after these days. So I join Redeemed, 1983 I left the Foursquare because they couldn't buy into the vision of CRM.  So I met Pastor Adeboye that time, and we discussed the issue of the church built in the village, and he said that is a sensitive issue, I should not get involved with the Church and if we built it as a Foursquare Gospel Church , let it so remain .
It remained a Foursquare Gospel Church till now and am still very much close to them. Am still going there this December by the grace of God am still renovating it. When I was about to leave 1983, I said I will not leave unless the state transfers me. When the state transfers me on their own, it ended my service with the Foursquare Gospel Church. When I got to Orile-Ilugun, between Abeokuta and Ibadan. A crusade was held and some converts were gathered together and I eventually became their Pastor.  But I was not ordained yet, until 1987.
So you were a Redeemed Pastor?
Yes, I was pastoring the Redeemed Church as a brother. So it was not until 1987 that I was ordained as an assistant Pastor.
You mentioned earlier about the UK. So let’s talk about moving abroad, what was the motivation? Missionary or secular job?
Well, I never wanted to be a Pastor. I just want to be a good brother in the Lord and have my studio in Abeokuta.
Musical studio?
No, Fine and applied arts. So I have my studio where I was practicing my “Batik-graphics expressions that I started at Ife, in those days.  I initiated it; that is combining the batik and the graphics. There was a niece of mine that was going to wed in London in 1990, so my wife spoke to them they should invite me, and I was invited to attend the wedding in the UK.
But my motive for going for the wedding was probably, I might be able to connect with some galleries in the UK to sell my new expression in art; which were call the batik- graphic expressions.
It was gradually gaining ground as at that time. I felt that; if I get in there, I might probably find a good footing and make some money and come back to develop my studio. That was why I travelled to England.
But God has His own plan, when I was processing the Visa, the Lord told me “I have need of you in the UK. “. Incidentally, it was a time that the Pastor in the UK, Pastor Wole Hastrup, just finished his program in Birmingham and was going back to Nigeria.  So I just had to step into his shoes to pioneer the church in 1990. Attendant of both adult and children were 53 to the glory of God. I arrived London in 1990, July 26, and I left 1999 July 26.
Did the family join you in the UK?
Yes, they came to join me in the UK.
Did you go back to Nigeria or you came to the US from the UK?
No, we got the green card to come to the US all the way from the UK.
On a pastoral level?
No, the Visa lottery.
When did you move to the US, where did you start from, which of the churches? How long did it take you to start Pavilion of Redemption?
When we were being sent forth to England, we told Dadddy G.O, and he connected with America and was told that there is a place called Sacramento, they need someone there because the church started but scattered.
It was very controversial, and it almost tore my family apart, but I said: “I was sent forth to go to Sacramento, and that is where we are going.” We landed in Sacramento; it was tough and rough and to the glory of God we survived everything. We bought two freehold properties out there. They are doing fine today and in 2005 we were convinced to move to Houston.  I refinanced my property in California, real estate was good that time, so I refinanced my property, and we pulled out one hundred and four thousand from that property.  So with that money we came down to Houston to set out to plant this church.
So tell us about the challenges, moving from Sacramento down to Houston planting a church just coming in newly.
Oh, it was very challenging, very challenging.  I wish pastors would be more matured these days. We met with some very tough resistance, both physical and spiritual, but the rest is history.  And that is why I can never forget Pastor Awobajo of RCCG Isaac Generation. . The support he gave us when we came, I can never forget.  I mean we enjoyed him so much; he supported us when we started. Yes he started before us, he was five years in the city before us, and he gave us every necessary support.  One aspect that impressed me was the fact that we were using a rental car which was very expensive and he let us borrow his daughters’ car for almost a whole month.  He supported us, and we are forever grateful for that support, and I wish all Pastors are like him.
In Nigeria, Church planting is a combined effort of the area to put money together, gather people and send them forth. But it seems that Church planting in America; in Redeemed church has to be by the individual and their family with no financial support.  How will you describe this?
Well, it depending on the person you are dealing with. You cannot access Redeemed Christian Church of God as an organization based on the particular parish that you have contact with.  You see; Redeemed is a unique church in the whole world. We have different flavors but just this same church.  So if you meet somebody who is self-centered as a pastor, and he is not interested in you succeeding, he can frustrate you in Redeemed.  But if you meet a pastor that is very open minded he will receive you. I mean we plant churches here.  We just started a church; the pastor came from Connecticut, Boston to be precise.  He told us why he came. We asked him to find the location where he wants to plant the church and every Sunday up till now we dispatch people from here to go to that place to worship so that the place will grow. But you cannot say that is the practice of Redeemed Christian Church of God because you are basing it on what you have seen. So if you meet somebody who doesn't even want you to succeed, he can drown your vision. But there is a standard, go and plant churches.  How you plant it is according to the discretion of the individuals or the respective churches.  So you cannot just say the system in Nigeria is different. It is supposed to be the same system but people interpret that very vision anyhow they like.  The vision is “go and plant churches.”  So collectively you can plant a church like the people that are going to the new parish that we just planted, they go there; people in the Heritage right now started from here.
People from Pavilion of Redemption moved from here to Huntsville to go and make the church happen and so on and so forth.  That is the way it supposed to be but the flavor may be different.
Ok, let’s talk about being sixty. Sir, how do you feel?
Well, I don't feel like am sixty anyway.  I can't believe it that when people say that I am sixty years old I can't believe it. Even in myself I feel I am not sixty.  I feel like, I can still do whatever I like to do. I mean I used to be a very good athletes, I use to be a good soccer, guy. I played for Anambra state soccer team when I went to serve. I taught I was going to be a professional soccer player.  I mean, when we had the last outing here; I played, and people were shocked that my reflex was not too bad but when I finish playing that day my foot step changed, my walking style changed I then realized that I am not growing younger.
Challenges in life and then we talk about the achievement because I know you have a lot of experiences. From birth to this moment, some certain things you will look back and say it can only be God?
Who I am today, it can only be God. I wish my mother is alive, but she did not live that long.  She died at the age of 69. She invested in me; I was her investment.  As I said earlier on, I was very rascally, and my father had no confidence in the prospect of my success in life.  My wife still makes a jest of me when she sees me doing the concrete work here. She says: “after all Papa said you should go and do brick laying. So is that not what you have ended up doing now.”
So it could only be God that I am who I am today, and I give Him all the glory. When I was in the world, I was a very bad boy, but Christ saved my soul, my thinking, He reoriented my life, and He gave me a new life. So He changed me completely, and people see me today they think “He is a gentle man.” Well, I was rusticated three times in my elementary school days; that tells you that I must be a very wonderful boy. And then my secondary school days when I was in form one, I was paraded at the assembly ground along with other boys who were truants.  Because we leave our school, we go and play soccer with ordinary pant in Gaskia College Lagos. I attended Gaskia College Cadoso Village Lagos, before I moved to Egbado high school Igbogila, now Yewa High School.   But my father was not interested in my going to that school.  He expected me to fail the Entrance Examination, which would have justified the reason I should go to learn bricklaying.
 So from Igbogilla I continued my truancy and rascality until my mother called me, that’s why I said that she changed my life.  She called me one night and put me to herself as if she were to be given birth to me, and she spoke to me and I cried and I promised my mum I will change. And that was a turning point in my life.
So if you were asked just to mention one major achievement in your life, just in few sentences what it is going to be?
Well, the salvation of my soul will be my major achievement because from what I just told you, I was a write-off.  So the salvation of my soul will be my greatest achievement and, also, the churches that God has used me to plant. The salvation of my soul and planting of churches.
I know you are still young sir, and you still have as much as the years you have spent on earth…
(Cut-ins) No, I don't have it. I have no ambition to be ninety. My father died at ninety three, and I saw him a very active man until he was approaching ninety, and I determine that the way I have been working very hard am not going to slow down, I can only engage in a different activity.  Like I want to round-off the “chapter concrete” right now. When am done with the outdoor work I want to come inside,  busy myself with writing books, do so many other things and my regular leisure to keep in shape.  But I don't want to go beyond eighty five. I told my children when I clock eighty five, for my birthday gift; I want a casket.  Because what will I be doing after eighty five, if I go beyond eighty five every day that I wake up I would say, Father, you must have a big reason I must still be here.
And finally sir, Your advice to the younger people?
My advice to the coming generation will be based on the fact of what David said in Psalm 71.  I determine to make know to the people, this generation and generation yet to come to the power of God. So if anybody says he is a Christian, they should be determined to serve God with the whole of their lives. 
I thank God I gave my live to Christ when I was 22. And since that every time I have been living as if Jesus is coming today. And I want to tell the coming generation that if they have any pride it should be in Christ Jesus.
I have pride that I live to protect today, and that pride is: from the day I gave my life genuinely am not talking about the first few counterfeit occasions. Deceiving, going to church, playing pranks. 23rd of May 1977, I knew I met with the Lord, He changed my life that day. From that very day up till now there is not one living human being that can say: “Ade, I will say this about you, and you will be ashamed. No, I will not do it, and that is what I call Christianity and that is what I call integrity.  Don't do it if you cannot stand up to it. Anything you know you cannot say hey I did this openly and believed is not going to dent your image, don't do it. Though you are going to be in the bad book of some people because they look at you as being too strict, they look at you oddly, they look at you, you don't allow this to happen.  No, if I cannot stand to it, I will not do it. That will be my advice to any Christian. Whatsoever you cannot say “I did,” don't do it. And don't indulge yourself.  All my children both biological and spiritual they know. I tell them that indulgence is not a mark of love; it is a bate of destruction.  If you indulge yourself, you are destroying yourself.  So don't indulge yourself, just do the best that you can do and be ready to answer for you action.
Thank you very much Sir and Happy birthday to you
God bless you

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